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Intertitle Card Identification?
I've always wondered if there was a way to identify which film this intertitle card came from. I always thought the dialogue might be unique enough to ID the original film. (though I have been reading a lot of Shakespeare these days, and this now reads a bit like Hamlet...)
"No matter how strange or
odd I act from now on,
Show no surprise -
Keep my secret!"
Also, I had always thought that such intertitles were common film items (I picked this up about 30 years ago), but I'm having trouble finding other examples online....
"No matter how strange or
odd I act from now on,
Show no surprise -
Keep my secret!"
Also, I had always thought that such intertitles were common film items (I picked this up about 30 years ago), but I'm having trouble finding other examples online....
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Actually, I think these are incredibly rare. I don’t think many of them were saved. Keep it, and if you need to get rid of it, get it to an appropriate museum. (And no, I don’t know what film it’s from...)
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I searched for this card in the Intertitle-o-rama website, and it was not there. So that eliminates hundreds of films.
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DR. JEKYLL AND MR. HYDE???????
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I can see how it would fit, but I don't think it's from that film, because I don't remember Dr. Jekyll confiding in anyone. There's an instruction about the appearance of Mr. Hyde and how Mr. Hyde is to have the freedom of the house, but I think that's in a written letter, not an intertitle.
This title brings back to me a vague recollection of a film that I can't remember the title of. There's a situation where a young woman, a Mary Pickford heroine type, returns to a house where some wrong has been committed. She pretends to have gone a bit loopy to test out her solution to the mystery by provoking a response (much like Hamlet). There's a young man or boy who recognizes her, and she tells him something like this intertitle, so that he'll be a witness to the scene without taking part.
Or, I'm remembering something from a weird dream...
The lettering from this intertitle reminds me of films from 1918-1922-ish.
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That was my thought, too- the style of lettering is late 1910s to early 1920s. For example, some of Harold Lloyd's shorts from this time period have the same font. I don't know the origin of this title card, but what a great find.
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That card would look great framed up. It's sort of like all that art that's now the rage (I don't know if it's got a name) where artists put up pithy phrases and sell them for big bucks.
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I have not been able to identify the font, with its peculiar r and g. If it was created at a certain date, then that might narrow things down too.
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Judging from the small imperfections and subtle differences of the proportions it seems to have been made by hand. Therefore there is probably no font to identify.Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:45 amI have not been able to identify the font, with its peculiar r and g. If it was created at a certain date, then that might narrow things down too.
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Also, the titles from Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde are indexed on Intertitle-O-Rama, so they were from that, Bruce would have found it in the search he mentions above.Rodney wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:43 pmI can see how it would fit, but I don't think it's from that film, because I don't remember Dr. Jekyll confiding in anyone. There's an instruction about the appearance of Mr. Hyde and how Mr. Hyde is to have the freedom of the house, but I think that's in a written letter, not an intertitle.
I've been collecting silent film memorabilia for over 20 years and I don't think I've ever seen an intertitle offered for sale. Hundreds upon thousands must have existed once upon a time.
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Wow, thanks for all the responses and the tips.
I really hadn't thought that this was that rare of a find. I wish I could recall more about when I got it. I think it was sometime in the '90s, probably at an antique/comics/baseball card show in Michigan. I want to say that there was a box of them, and I picked the one with the most unique dialogue? I'm fairly certain it wasn't a stand-alone item, and I'm pretty sure it was loose when I got it. I then put it in a simple frame, and had it up on a wall since then.
I'm wondering if I should pop it out of the frame to check the back side, but I'm pretty sure it's blank as there was always a mystery about which movie it was from (and if the movie itself has survived).
I really hadn't thought that this was that rare of a find. I wish I could recall more about when I got it. I think it was sometime in the '90s, probably at an antique/comics/baseball card show in Michigan. I want to say that there was a box of them, and I picked the one with the most unique dialogue? I'm fairly certain it wasn't a stand-alone item, and I'm pretty sure it was loose when I got it. I then put it in a simple frame, and had it up on a wall since then.
I'm wondering if I should pop it out of the frame to check the back side, but I'm pretty sure it's blank as there was always a mystery about which movie it was from (and if the movie itself has survived).
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And any idea as to the value of one of these?
Is it a "That's rare, so be sure to display it out of direct sunlight" or a "Don't hang it up on the wall, what are you thinking??" situation.
Is it a "That's rare, so be sure to display it out of direct sunlight" or a "Don't hang it up on the wall, what are you thinking??" situation.
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It's definitely a hearty paint and board if it's held up a century this long. Art lettering like this was done with Tempra on art board, which are pretty sturdy. So yes, I think it's safe to say you can frame it.
I don't know which of the outfits did this, but it's the same one that did the titles for Selznick circa 1920. Once Pacific Title formed, the standard letterset titles in Era typeface start around 1923-24, and for most of the studios, became the de facto look for titles, even into the sound era.
I don't know which of the outfits did this, but it's the same one that did the titles for Selznick circa 1920. Once Pacific Title formed, the standard letterset titles in Era typeface start around 1923-24, and for most of the studios, became the de facto look for titles, even into the sound era.
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This piqued my curiosity and makes me wonder why the word Secret has an accent on the first letter E, could it be the title writer was not American, or perhaps this title was added to an international market? English is not my first language, and when I read the word with the accent it does not mean SECRET.
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That looks like damage that occurred after it was made.Javier wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:45 amThis piqued my curiosity and makes me wonder why the word Secret has an accent on the first letter E, could it be the title writer was not American, or perhaps this title was added to an international market? English is not my first language, and when I read the word with the accent it does not mean SECRET.
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It certainly fits a modern translation of Shakespeare (Hamlet Act 1 Scene 5). But Hamlet did not appear on the Silent Shakespeare DVD, unfortunately, but did on BFI's Play On! Shakespeare in Silent Film.
"But now listen to me. No matter how strangely I act (since I may find it appropriate to act a little crazy in the near future), you must never, ever let on—with a gesture of your hands or a certain expression on your face—that you know anything about what happened to me here tonight."
"But now listen to me. No matter how strangely I act (since I may find it appropriate to act a little crazy in the near future), you must never, ever let on—with a gesture of your hands or a certain expression on your face—that you know anything about what happened to me here tonight."
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Right. It seems eerily similar to his the gist of what Hamlet is trying to say. I checked the history of silent film editions of Hamlet (there were quite a number), and found many of the versions online. But when I get to that scene I didn't see a similar title card.35MM wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:46 amIt certainly fits a modern translation of Shakespeare (Hamlet Act 1 Scene 5). But Hamlet did not appear on the Silent Shakespeare DVD, unfortunately, but did on BFI's Play On! Shakespeare in Silent Film.
"But now listen to me. No matter how strangely I act (since I may find it appropriate to act a little crazy in the near future), you must never, ever let on—with a gesture of your hands or a certain expression on your face—that you know anything about what happened to me here tonight."
How many different versions would there be of title cards in films? I assume you'd redo them all going from one language to the next....but would there be any reason to have alternate cards? And say if it was a foreign language version, would there only be 1 translated version?
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Interesting inter-title card.
Made me think of one of several silent Charley Chase Hal Roach shorts where he acts goofy for deceiving purposes, tho I can't think of which title(s).
And don't go looking for which font this is, it's obviously a hand-lettered card by some artist who may well have used a particular font for style reference, but it's not a particular nor exact font you'll find in publishing because of the unique little flourishes.
Lastly, what's interesting is: why is the lettering white on black? Back in the day I'm pretty sure the cards were done black on white, so, when photographed, they saved film by stripping in the negative and, when projected, the titles flashed as white on black as we're accustomed to seeing. Though I'm sure everyone had their own ways of doing these cards.
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Made me think of one of several silent Charley Chase Hal Roach shorts where he acts goofy for deceiving purposes, tho I can't think of which title(s).
And don't go looking for which font this is, it's obviously a hand-lettered card by some artist who may well have used a particular font for style reference, but it's not a particular nor exact font you'll find in publishing because of the unique little flourishes.
Lastly, what's interesting is: why is the lettering white on black? Back in the day I'm pretty sure the cards were done black on white, so, when photographed, they saved film by stripping in the negative and, when projected, the titles flashed as white on black as we're accustomed to seeing. Though I'm sure everyone had their own ways of doing these cards.
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There was another card that showed up in one of my Behind the Scenes calendars (it was a photo of a guy who did lettering, as I recall, holding an “art” title) and it was also white lettering on black.Turpinutz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:20 pmInteresting inter-title card.
Made me think of one of several silent Charley Chase Hal Roach shorts where he acts goofy for deceiving purposes, tho I can't think of which title(s).
And don't go looking for which font this is, it's obviously a hand-lettered card by some artist who may well have used a particular font for style reference, but it's not a particular nor exact font you'll find in publishing because of the unique little flourishes.
Lastly, what's interesting is: why is the lettering white on black? Back in the day I'm pretty sure the cards were done black on white, so, when photographed, they saved film by stripping in the negative and, when projected, the titles flashed as white on black as we're accustomed to seeing. Though I'm sure everyone had their own ways of doing these cards.
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To answer another question farther up, in the case of Mary Pickford's “Suds,” the titles were redrawn for the UK release despite it being ostensibly the same language. Both versions are on the Milestone DVD.
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Were the redrawn cards the *same* text? Or did someone decide to "improve" or change the text?
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Different text, especially the spelling of dialect (which makes me think that maybe the British knew more than the American title writers, since the film is set in London after all). Unfortunately, the American art titles, some with animated backgrounds, were replaced with pretty boring plain titles.
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Javier wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:45 amThis piqued my curiosity and makes me wonder why the word Secret has an accent on the first letter E, could it be the title writer was not American, or perhaps this title was added to an international market? English is not my first language, and when I read the word with the accent it does not mean SECRET.
Sorry, that's just a bit of dirt/glare on the glass - it's not on the title card itself.
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Jason Holt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:04 amThat was my thought, too- the style of lettering is late 1910s to early 1920s. For example, some of Harold Lloyd's shorts from this time period have the same font. I don't know the origin of this title card, but what a great find.
I was just watching Harold Lloyd's "Dr. Jack" tonight, and the font *did* remind me of a similar lettering.